Mold remediation made easier with Dr. Emily Kiberd

This week on The Less Stressed Life Podcast, I am excited to have return guest, Emily Kiberd. Emily is a chiropractor, mama, and founder of Thyroid Strong. In this episode, Emily tells us about her most recent mold remediation experience. She has some FANTASTIC tips since she has been through FIVE different mold remediations.

You can hear Emily's other episode here: 261 Workout without burn out for active women with AI, Hashimoto's and hypermobility with Dr. Emily Kiberd

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• The importance of having separate mold remediation teams and mold inspectors
• Inexpensive tools to help find mold yourself
• Mold exposure symptoms
• Where to find mold remediators

Check out Emily's free mold guide here: https://www.dremilykiberd.com/mold/ and her mold exposure master class here: https://www.dremilykiberd.com/moldmasterclass/

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ABOUT GUEST:
Dr. Emily Kiberd is a chiropractor, mama, and founder of Thyroid Strong, a workout program for ladies with Hashimoto’s. She also helps ladies with Hashimoto’s get to the root causes including mold exposure. She has been on her own mold healing journey the last 8 years and shared the good, the bad, and the overpriced heavily sampled mold inspectors and sloppy remediators.

WHERE TO FIND:
Website: https://www.dremilykiberd.com/
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Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thyroid-strong/id1425627401

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TRANSCRIPT:

[00:00:00] Dr. Emily Kiberd: All the things, gut issues that are Hashimoto symptoms are also symptoms of mold exposure and mold can flare up autoimmune conditions and it's not only mold, it's the byproducts of mold, which are mycotoxins, VOCs, alcohol, aldehydes, mainly mycotoxins, which are much smaller than a mold spore.

[00:00:21] Christa Biegler, RD: Stress is the inflammation that robs us of life, energy, and happiness. Our typical solutions for gut health and hormone balance have let a lot of us down. We're over medicated and underserved. At The Less Stressed Life, we're a community of health savvy women exploring solutions outside of our traditional Western medicine toolbox and training to raise the bar and change our stories.

[00:00:48] Christa Biegler, RD: Each week, our hope is that you leave our sessions inspired to learn, grow, and share these stories to raise the bar in your life and home. 

[00:01:07] Christa Biegler, RD: All right. Today on The Less Dressed Life, I have back Dr. Emily Kybird, who's a chiropractor, mama, and founder of Thyroid Strong, a workout program for ladies with Hashimoto's. She also helps ladies with Hashimoto's get to the root causes, including mold exposure. She's been on her mold healing journey for the last eight years and shared the good, bad, and the overpriced, heavily sampled mold inspectors and sloppy remediators.

[00:01:26] Christa Biegler, RD: I was just telling her that this is her Jesus work. I didn't say that. 

[00:01:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: It literally is.

[00:01:32] Christa Biegler, RD: It's like a gap that needed to be filled. And I will often send clients who are feeling defeated in trying to figure out where mold is coming from to her profile, because I think she's doing a really good tactical job of, Hey, Here's what it looks like because remediators and inspectors, good inspectors are a bit of a challenge and not very long ago 

[00:01:53] Christa Biegler, RD: I see this a lot. I had someone have an inspector come over. The inspector found nothing within a month. She's I was getting something out of the closet and there was clearly like water damage in the ceiling and mold in the ceiling. Like, how do you miss this? So that is unfortunately common.

[00:02:07] Christa Biegler, RD: So here is Dr. Kybert. Back to tell us about her most recent mold remediation story because she's been through 

[00:02:14] Christa Biegler, RD: five, 

[00:02:15] Dr. Emily Kiberd: not my first rodeo, 

[00:02:18] Christa Biegler, RD: not your first rodeo. 

[00:02:19] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And I have, I help clients I help them find good mold inspectors and good remediation teams. They should be separate. Just FYI, those two people.

[00:02:27] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And, you'll have You know, you'll call mold inspectors and they're like what tools do you use? I have a list of questions that I have my clients ask to find a good mold inspector. And I literally have people come back to me and He says he uses a flashlight, not like anything else, and it's just mind blowing that there are people out there that are running this business trying to help.

[00:02:51] Dr. Emily Kiberd: There's so many people, mold is so prevalent and so many people get exposed and there's so many sick buildings and water damaged buildings that just being a high quality mold inspector, you would have so much work. 

[00:03:03] Christa Biegler, RD: How prevalent do you think it is? Because I think about what the prevalence is in my patient population or my client population.

[00:03:09] Christa Biegler, RD: And I would just, if I had to really be super loose about it, I would say maybe 20 25 percent of people in practice are affected, I would say, at least. But it's hard for us, because you tend to attract, sometimes the conditions you're addressing. It's oh, if you really look at it, it's oh, I think I have fungal overgrowth.

[00:03:26] Christa Biegler, RD: I'm like, is it? Or is it actually mold, which is just more aggressive fungus? 

[00:03:30] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, I think it was the EPA that put something out in March of this year saying that about, I think it was around 70 percent of buildings are water damage. Granted, they were only sampling a hundred buildings, but that's a lot of water damage buildings.

[00:03:42] Dr. Emily Kiberd: That's pretty awful. Yeah. And is it, a lot of people ask, Oh should I look into a newer building? Maybe there's less water damage events. Newer buildings are thrown together very quickly. I've seen buildings two years old that have water damage. But then if you go with an older building, there's more potential for history of water damage.

[00:04:03] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So it's very tricky. 

[00:04:05] Christa Biegler, RD: Okay, so we're not only going to talk about mold today. We're going to start there. We're going to talk about your remediation stuff, some of the ways you found it. But I also want to talk about the Hashimoto's component because I love common denominators. And later we'll talk about like, how these things are just super intimately connected and is the root cause of the Hashimoto's.

[00:04:24] Christa Biegler, RD: Some other inflammatory thing like mold, which it sounds like it was for 

[00:04:28] Christa Biegler, RD: you pretty much. 

[00:04:29] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Oh, yeah, 100%. So the most recent mold exposure event was we moved into a rental in August, mid August of this year, and there were certain physical signs in the house. One of them was, I have a humidity reader in every single bathroom, and the humidity reader would be at like 56%.

[00:04:51] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yes, you're thinking, okay, maybe there was a shower. I'm in Colorado. It is super dry. And for the humidity to be at 56 percent and no one had showered all day, you're like, that's weird. Like, why is there this excess moisture? I also you want it sitting around like. 40 to 44%. If it goes up to 50 percent temporarily, intermittently, that's okay.

[00:05:12] Dr. Emily Kiberd: You don't want it above 50. You don't want it sitting above 50 percent for long periods of time. I also have a dehumidifier in our bathroom because there's not an exhaust fan. So in an ideal situation, your bathroom would have an exhaust fan, you shower, you pull the exhaust to the outside. We don't have that in the current house, even though it's A 2002 build.

[00:05:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So I had a dehumidifier and it would fill up. And I'm like, why is this thing filling up? It's not like we're taking like, hour long showers here. So that was like the first sign. The second sign was in the toilet bowl. The water line would get moldy. There'd be like this mold ring and I would clean it weekly and it would come back within a couple of days.

[00:05:51] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So that means there's mold in the air collecting in the toilet. And then the 3rd sign, which was the actual sign was so there's a master bath above and the kitchen below and there was probably a spot. Diameter size of 12 inches that suddenly appeared. My husband's we'll just monitor it. And I'm like, Oh no, we are going to figure out what that is.

[00:06:14] Dr. Emily Kiberd: There's the paint was basically bubbling away from the ceiling, obvious water damage. You have two options in this situation. You can bring in a mold inspector, or you can hunt around yourself because I've done this five times before. I was like, let's just hunt. My physical symptoms were also present.

[00:06:30] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So not only physical symptoms in the building, but. Things that you would not think of. I had itchiness on the outside of my ears. I felt like I had to clean my ear, which is common. 

[00:06:41] Christa Biegler, RD: I would consider that being a dead ringer. 

[00:06:43] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. Increase, like White, a candida coat on my tongue in the morning, bad breath in the morning, increase in bloating after I'd be eating.

[00:06:55] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And the kind of telltale one was at 2 p. m. I would crash. It's like someone turned a light switch off on my brain and I would have to go horizontal immediately, which is for me, my telltale sign of mold exposure. When I was cooking under that water spot, I would sneeze. I was like, that's weird that I'm like sneezing every time I cook.

[00:07:16] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Run the exhaust fan while I was cooking, still sneeze. So those were my personal physical symptoms. Mold zaps your mitochondria. So it makes sense that it's causing fatigue. Mold is lipophilic. It loves fat. Our brain is mainly composed of fat. So it makes sense why it causes brain fog. Conventional medicine will see mold as Sinusitis, some allergy symptoms, but the symptoms are much greater.

[00:07:44] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So I have a moisture meter. I bought one from Home Depot and it lit up like a Christmas tree. Like you put it to it and it went from like green, yellow to red. And then I started, 

[00:07:55] Christa Biegler, RD: you just sat against it, right? 

[00:07:57] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yep, you just set it against it. You can also, if you have wood studs, there is another kind of moisture meter where you can also pull off the top and there's pins and you can shove it in the wood to check a stud.

[00:08:10] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And so then I started to follow along 8 feet across the ceiling where there was no water damage signs and it was lighting up and I was like, oh, okay, here we go again. Because, this has been going on for 8 years in different houses in New York and then in Colorado and. People in Colorado are like, it's so dry.

[00:08:29] Dr. Emily Kiberd: It's fine. It's not fine. 

[00:08:31] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:08:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Mold can grow within 24 to 48 hours. So the next thing I did was I took a thermography run. So basically detects differences in temperature. So it is showing you behind the wall a difference in temperature. So if it is cooler. In a certain area probably means there's water damage.

[00:08:51] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So I took out a thermography gun. That's about 300 and it was blue. So blue and purple or cooler red, yellows, orange or warmer was like blue all the way across 8 feet across the ceiling, even though there was no water damage signs 8 feet away. So then I was like, okay, we can either hire a plumber is going to tear open the ceiling, potentially expose the whole family to mold and.

[00:09:17] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Spread mold particles all over the house, or you can take a boroscope, which is basically a camera attached to Basically a camera attached to a tube and at the other end is the image So you can drill a hole the size of a sharpie stick the scope in And just check around and see what's going on up there before you make a decision on, do I hire a plumber or do I hire a remediation team to seal this off so that when we do open up the ceiling, it is not, sending fragments of mold and mycotoxins all over the house.

[00:09:54] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So that's what we did for about 

[00:09:55] Christa Biegler, RD: 80, right? I saw this on your really great freebie that I downloaded last night in preparation for our call and you recommend you link out to the moisture meter, which is, I don't know, 30 bucks, maybe, I don't know, like 

[00:10:05] Dr. Emily Kiberd: 30, 50. Yeah. 

[00:10:06] Christa Biegler, RD: And then the boroscope, which I would have expected to be much more than 80.

[00:10:10] Christa Biegler, RD: So very accessible. Here's what I am upset. This is why she's here because. People get stuck when they can't find this and you're being super practical of like here for a hundred dollars, you can start to figure it out on your own, which I mean, there is nothing you could do for less than a hundred dollars.

[00:10:25] Christa Biegler, RD: This is a great, like you could never hire anyone to do anything good for a hundred dollars. 

[00:10:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. 

[00:10:32] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Like just to have a mold inspector show up at the door is 500 base minimum, and they might just bring a flashlight. Who knows if they're bringing more. 

[00:10:39] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:10:39] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And I really encourage people to look around their house.

[00:10:42] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Is there bubbling paint? Is the baseboard pulling away from the wall? Is there like the slightest water stain? Is there separation in the drywall? Like these are free things that you can do to start to look for water damage. Because in my experience, having worked with five different mold inspectors.

[00:11:00] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Some not so great. Some the top of the line spent 20 grand on them coming in and pre and post samples. Not a single one found the source. And the whole goal is to find the source. I don't care how many Hermes dust samples, air samples, air cavity sample swabs you do at the end of the day, all of that is to help you find where is the source?

[00:11:25] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Is it a humidity issue in an HVAC? Is it a roof leak? Is it a leak behind? In the ceiling for the tub, whatever it is. And I think sometimes mold inspectors, especially the more expensive ones, get a little sample happy. And you're like, wow, I now have 15 grand worth of air samples and I still don't know where the leak is coming from.

[00:11:46] Christa Biegler, RD: And you're in your dirt work on the outside. We've had this also because we did all of we built our house. So I'm just so intimately connected with all of the building materials. 

[00:11:54] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. 

[00:11:55] Christa Biegler, RD: At times where we were redoing things or putting anyway, anytime, something got moved around anytime outside and the dirt looked fine, but it wasn't sloped perfectly, which is totally easy to have happen.

[00:12:08] Christa Biegler, RD: It's actually a real pain in the rump. It would come straight in the basement, which I don't have any flooring in much of the basement. I have it in 2 bedrooms and then a where it's like some linoleum. I really don't. And I used to care about that stuff. And now I'm like, huh. Good thing I don't, and I used to care about like having a sheetrock ceiling in the basement.

[00:12:25] Christa Biegler, RD: I have a drop ceiling now. I'm like, Oh, thank God. I don't. 

[00:12:28] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, exactly. 

[00:12:29] Christa Biegler, RD: Easier than cutting out or whatever.

[00:12:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Oh my God. I don't finish basements are a nightmare. 

[00:12:33] Christa Biegler, RD: Exactly. And that's the thing. If I build something again, I'm like, I think I'm not gonna have a basement just because, but I'm not sure.

[00:12:40] Christa Biegler, RD: There's so much around doing a good job with the drain field, which I also was a component of, the drain field, getting all the water away from the house, monitoring anything that looks like it could be sitting against the house, especially if there's a basement, if it's not a basement, I don't know.

[00:12:54] Christa Biegler, RD: But then also you brought up this great point. It's like who designed the bathroom without an exhaust fan? And then there's just a lot of things. In Colorado, those vents could get blocked with ice. There's so many stupid little things that can happen. Or, one of my stories is we bought a house where people had dog and like this carpet just smelled like a wet dog when you would shower.

[00:13:13] Christa Biegler, RD: And I replaced the carpet, got rid of it. And the People were like, yep, that was discussed and that wasn't the house I was living in, but it's so many little places. And I like to say could be something big, could be like this big bubble eight feet across, like you're experiencing, or maybe it's something smaller.

[00:13:27] Christa Biegler, RD: And one question I have for you, because you have these telltale physical signs. What about your son and your husband? What were they experiencing? Anything or none? Because that happens a lot too. Sometimes you get a whole family symptoms and then sometimes it's just the one person. 

[00:13:41] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, so it presents in my son as dark circles and around his eyes, a little gray shiner right under the eye and on the inside.

[00:13:49] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I notice it as a mother. If you ask my husband, he'd be like, he's just being a seven year old, but a little bit like more ragey and aggressive and his eczema flares up. So that's how it presents to my son and my husband. He has sinus issues, insomnia that he thinks is normal, but I'm like, it's small. so It does show up in them, but It doesn't show up the same way, which is really interesting.

[00:14:16] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So for me, it's like crash fatigue. Like I can knock it off the couch and my husband's Oh, I just have a little bit of like sinusitis all the day. 

[00:14:23] Christa Biegler, RD: Exactly. I totally understand. 

[00:14:25] Dr. Emily Kiberd: back to what you were saying about the exhaust fan. Think about New York city. All those apartments ideally would exhaust the outside, right?

[00:14:33] Dr. Emily Kiberd: You're pulling the moisture out to the outside. Very few apartments in New York City. If you think about a building, if every single one had an exhaust fan to the outside no apartments in New York City have that. They all exhaust up above the ceiling. The drywall. So you're having, you're literally using the exhaust fan to pull it up into the ceiling to then sit there.

[00:14:52] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So I find New York to be very moldy on top of everything has a flat roof that no one checks and probably leaks. 

[00:14:59] Christa Biegler, RD: Who thought that was a good idea? 

[00:15:00] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I know. And all those buildings are like from the 1800s. 

[00:15:03] Christa Biegler, RD: I know, there's 

[00:15:03] Christa Biegler, RD: this Bank next door across the street from my office and I've walked in.

[00:15:07] Christa Biegler, RD: I was like, does anyone else smell the mold in here? 

[00:15:09] Christa Biegler, RD: Is it just me? Like 

[00:15:09] Christa Biegler, RD: this flat roof? I don't know. Anyway. Okay. So here's where you were. You were 

[00:15:13] Christa Biegler, RD: on boroscope. Go ahead. 

[00:15:14] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So I'm boroscope and the irony is so many landlords and so many, even just people who own houses, they're like I don't see mold.

[00:15:21] Dr. Emily Kiberd: No point on this current journey. Did I see mold? I didn't smell mold. It didn't smell musty. There was no signs of like typical mold. So I took the baroscope. My husband's it looks okay. It looks okay. And then he's Oh shit. And I'm like, like my, my heart just sunk a little bit of like a PTSD, probably fight or flight response.

[00:15:41] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And he's yeah, it's black. And then I was like, okay let's look eight feet over here. And he drills a little hole and he's yeah, and I was like the laundry room on the other side smells. 

[00:15:50] Christa Biegler, RD: Were you drilling the hole where this water bubble was or where were you at?

[00:15:53] Dr. Emily Kiberd: We were at the water bubble and then.

[00:15:55] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Following the moisture meter, I was like it says it's wet over here and just know moisture meters will light up on metal. So just to think about if there's like metal behind the wall it will light up. So then I was like, okay, how about 8 feet over here? And it lit up. Or he put the hole in and it was like, black on top of the drywall.

[00:16:13] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And so I could have brought a mold inspector in, and I have in the past, but in this scenario, it was like, 

[00:16:22] Christa Biegler, RD: I just saved 20 grand. 

[00:16:24] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, exactly. There's no amount of inspection. It was so extensive that I was like, let's just bring a remediate. Let's put our money towards a remediation team.

[00:16:34] Christa Biegler, RD: Totally. And this was underneath the master bath then, right? 

[00:16:37] Dr. Emily Kiberd: This was underneath the master bath. 

[00:16:38] Christa Biegler, RD: Consistent with how things go, right? 

[00:16:40] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So brought in a remediation team, 1, 200 a day was 14 day job. And they put plastic up, they put negative air pressure. So they're pulling out an air scrubber.

[00:16:53] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So they're pulling the air to the outside, but it's getting cleaned through a HEPA filter. And they go in with hazmat suits and goggles, and they're starting to pull out the material and they're sending photos. So we're basically living in a construction zone, but ideally things are not getting. Outside of that containment and they get to the sub floor of the bathroom above and they pulled on the sub floor and it's black.

[00:17:19] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So we know it's coming from the bathroom. We turn on all the faucets. Nothing's leaking the shower where. There's glass, and then there's a little seam. The little seam, it was literally an inch, was not caulked properly, it wasn't like silicone sealed. The water was getting in, going across the glass, dropping down to where you would step into the shower.

[00:17:43] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:17:43] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And literally like pouring out. 

[00:17:46] Christa Biegler, RD: This sounds so easy to have happen in every other 

[00:17:51] Christa Biegler, RD: house. 

[00:17:52] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yes spread probably 2 feet from the shower on the subfloor spread to the toilet room next door. So they'd tear out the toilet and tile and tear the drywall out in the master and start, ideally you.

[00:18:07] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Tear out the water damage material, but there's certain things you can't tear out. That are structural. It's like a board. Oh, yeah. Not even a board, like a joist or a stud, like a wood stud. 

[00:18:19] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:18:19] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And so then you have to describe that thing. And so they have to put. Hydrogen peroxide, not the 3 percent that you can get in the store, but like one that actually burns like a 13 to 18 percent and it will bubble the mold, pull it out of the wood.

[00:18:32] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And then they use a wire brush to like basically scrape it out and then they have a vacuum and then they pat. And sometimes you have to do that 4 times over and you basically. Are doing that until when you pat there's no mold coming off and that like microfiber and so if it was just pulling out the material, it probably would have been like a 3 day job, but there were so many studs that needed to get scrubbed that it was a 14 day job.

[00:19:01] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And so I brought in a mold inspector post because I was like, let's test to make sure it's all gone that nothing's coming up on an air sample or a swab. 

[00:19:11] Christa Biegler, RD: This is in Colorado, right? 

[00:19:12] Dr. Emily Kiberd: This is in Colorado. And I used a great company mold inspection sciences and came back good.

[00:19:18] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So it meant, hey, the remediation team did a good job. And this is why you want them separate because there are some companies that do inspection and remediation. But you want a third party afterwards to assess the work separate from the person who did the work, right? Because hypothetical, let's say it's the same company.

[00:19:37] Dr. Emily Kiberd: They do the remediation. They do a post test and it comes back positive. Now it looks like they didn't do a good job, right? So you want those two people to be separate, your inspector and your remediator. And yeah, and then we had someone. Come and like reco and it was not, they were still testing to see if it was leaking and the tub was still leaking, so they had to pull more tile off and redo it.

[00:20:03] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And then they just finished yesterday putting all the drywall back and 

[00:20:09] Christa Biegler, RD: oh, you didn't, you 

[00:20:09] Christa Biegler, RD: have to have a separate company come and do the construction. 

[00:20:12] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So that was another team. So it was probably. Like a 20 grand job. 

[00:20:18] Christa Biegler, RD: Oh, easily. So there's a couple issues and I live in pretty rural place.

[00:20:23] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. 

[00:20:23] Christa Biegler, RD: Colorado, first of all, how did you find the remediation company? 

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[00:21:23] Christa Biegler, RD: So you can grab that checklist at Christa Biegler com forward slash mold, or use the code less stressed at microbalance. com for 15 percent off your order.

[00:21:32] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, so I have used mold inspection sciences in the past for other houses in Colorado that we actually bought that are fully water damaged. And so it was 1 of the inspection teams that they had recommended and they had recommended 3.

[00:21:46] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I called all 3 and I just drilled them with questions and I was like, plain dumb, but knowing the answers. So how do you clean? Like, how do you get mold off of something that you can't remove? If they say bleach, move on, find someone new, right? Because bleach is 3 percent hydrogen peroxide and mainly water.

[00:22:05] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So bleach will actually feed mold on a porous surface. Other questions I asked were, do you use negative air pressure? Do you use an air scrubber? Do you create the containment with basically there's a containment, but then they create like an extra room to take off the hazmat suit. So they're not spreading it from your space from the containment.

[00:22:23] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So I asked, Hey, like, how do you really make sure you're not spreading mold particles? What great hydrogen peroxide do you use? Do you use wire brushing? Some people will use dry ice blasting. And so they'll blast an area with dry ice and then it will yeah. Yeah, it's a little bit overkill and it's, I think, not as refined.

[00:22:45] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I think there can still be residual mold. Because they're not doing the whole padding and double checking. So just those kind of questions. And also availability. So there are remediation teams. I have tried to get a quote from for six months and have tried to have them show up and they're like, so these guys were like, Hey, we'll show up next week.

[00:23:05] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I was like, great. 

[00:23:06] Christa Biegler, RD: Let me ask you some other questions that are really common. So you just put 20, 000 into a house that wasn't yours. How's that working out with the landlord? 

[00:23:15] Dr. Emily Kiberd: The landlord covered it. 

[00:23:17] Christa Biegler, RD: Wow. 

[00:23:18] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. And so I think that is the blessing in this whole situation is 

[00:23:25] Christa Biegler, RD: you approach that in a certain way to help the landlord cover it.

[00:23:30] Christa Biegler, RD: Does that make sense? 

[00:23:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, I think a couple things the landlord is newer to renting this house. And I think a landlord that has more experience knows that these things come up that these are investments in their space. A lot of landlords don't want to put that money in. They'll just find a new renter.

[00:23:47] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I approached it as I'm going to try and do this the most cost effective way. So instead of bringing a mold inspector in and then remediation we know there's mold. So let's save it for a post inspection post remediation inspection. And I was also like, listen, I have kids like you open this up.

[00:24:03] Dr. Emily Kiberd: We're all really sensitive. We're going to get really sick. And he was very empathetic and he covered the cost. And he actually gave us like a discount on rent for the months that there was construction. Cause we didn't have a kitchen that we could use. We were like cooking on an induction plate or a master bath that we could use.

[00:24:20] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So I am very grateful that he covered it, but I would say that is not the norm. By any means. 

[00:24:23] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, I know. 

[00:24:24] Christa Biegler, RD: There's an, there's another document you could add to your masterclass for opt in. It's like how to talk to your landlord about the mold, right? And I think you're coming in with a lot of experience though too.

[00:24:33] Christa Biegler, RD: So yeah, I don't know. I'm just want to bring that up. Have you experienced trying to get homeowner's insurance to cover mold or mediation in the past? Yeah. I've heard 

[00:24:43] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I have. It doesn't cover mold. It doesn't cover mold. It will cover a water damage event. But it doesn't cover mold. So I'll give you an example.

[00:24:51] Dr. Emily Kiberd: We bought a house in 2020 in Colorado and it's a 1977 house. We're going to do a little bit of work. We tore up the floors. The whole house is water damaged and it's actually a siding defect. Basically there's warped wood siding, insulation, plastic. And then drywall, so all the condensations coming through, hitting the plastic, dropping onto the subfloor and we try to get insurance to cover it.

[00:25:15] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And they're like, this is it's not a water damage event a pipe burst, they would cover that. But not something where it's like a structural building event. They're probably cover like a leaking roof, but insurance doesn't cover mold. Unfortunately, in my experience.

[00:25:33] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, I'm thinking about these meters and how it lights up on metal.

[00:25:38] Christa Biegler, RD: And I wonder if we think about, we both live in a colder climate. And so I'm wondering if you put that moisture reader on kind of an external wall, if that can be skewed 

[00:25:47] Christa Biegler, RD: sometimes probably.

[00:25:48] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I would probably use a thermography gun for that just to see a temperature difference. I did. We just went to Bali, super humid.

[00:25:55] Dr. Emily Kiberd: We have a house there. And I brought my moisture meter and it is so humid. It lights up on everything, like every single wall. It's just so humid.

[00:26:04] Christa Biegler, RD: How do you feel about that? How do I feel about that? It's really moldy there. And. You don't want to build, everything has a Joe glow roof, like the water drips off.

[00:26:15] Christa Biegler, RD: There's no flat roofs. So don't build a house in a tropical climate with a flat roof. Yeah, really anywhere. And 

[00:26:22] Christa Biegler, RD: I'm not sure about this, but I wonder if some of them have a client with a house in Hawaii and she was contemplating this as well, but it's almost there's like open air in some of the buildings, like where there's little bars or whatever, but they actually like the ventilation is substantial.

[00:26:37] Christa Biegler, RD: Sure. 

[00:26:37] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah,

[00:26:37] Christa Biegler, RD: because, and so that's, I think that's maybe part of what you're looking for is ventilation opportunities, right? That things aren't sealed up. So darn much. How did you learn about the tool? Which tools to grab? Because it's a very cost effect. This is one of the reasons I wanted to bring you on because so many people just get stuck on trying to figure out where it is.

[00:26:55] Christa Biegler, RD: And I think you have just lived, and you're just Honestly, paying it forward in some aspects and then also helping people with this, which is really great. It's again a gap. And so how did you learn about some of these tools that were really not very expensive? 

[00:27:08] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So by the third mold inspector or the fourth, I just follow them around in their inspection, like literally for five hours and ask them questions and see what tools they pull out.

[00:27:17] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And, it's interesting because a lot of the sampling, for example, an ERMI, a mold inspection company. They'll charge you 500. An ERMI is 240. You can buy an ERMI test and do it yourself from a company like Envirobiomics. So part of it was just going through it. And the first a couple of times there was like PTSD and I like could not be in the house when they did it.

[00:27:39] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And then by the third, fourth time, it's like a muscle you flex. You're like, okay, I can like my nervous system can handle this. And I would just follow them around and ask them questions and be like, Oh, what model of thermography gun is that? I also really enjoy watching home inspection, Instagram reels.

[00:27:55] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah.

[00:27:56] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So much and there's actually a woman in California who does holistic home builds and we'll talk about the whole process from a holistic perspective. Like, how to check your lumber. Before you actually frame your house. Cause there can be mold on the lumber. So yeah, 

[00:28:14] Christa Biegler, RD: this is actually my like dream thing eventually.

[00:28:16] Christa Biegler, RD: Like I think this would be, I think it's a fun niche. You probably have more opportunity, like you probably have a better market for it in Colorado than I do in South Dakota, but I'm like, I think holistic Airbnb 

[00:28:24] Christa Biegler, RD: sound really nice. 

[00:28:25] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, that was, like watching home inspection, Instagram reels and when I'm, not doing everything else.

[00:28:36] Christa Biegler, RD: Okay, let's talk about how Hashimoto's and mold symptoms can overlap and let me start with this 1. I had this come up this week and to me. 

[00:28:45] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. 

[00:28:46] Christa Biegler, RD: Oh, so someone said, I know that this person was working on mold remediation in her own home. I don't know everything about her mold remediation. I know that she was personally working on it with her spouse.

[00:29:00] Christa Biegler, RD: And I know little about the whole remediation process, but she let me know, Hey, I got my labs done and my thyroid antibodies are elevated. And I'm like, of course they are. So what do you want to say about this? 

[00:29:14] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So every single symptom of Hashimoto's. is a symptom of mold exposure. And then I would say the mold exposure symptom list is like four times as long.

[00:29:27] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So weight gain, brain fog, fatigue, hair loss. All the things got issues that are Hashimoto symptoms are also symptoms of mold exposure and mold can flare up autoimmune conditions. And it's not only mold it's. the byproducts of mold, which are mycotoxins, VOCs, alcohol, aldehydes, mainly mycotoxins, which are much smaller than a mold spore.

[00:29:55] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And so you breathe those in and they get stuck in your lungs, goes up your nose can really affect your brain. And that is what you test when you're testing for mold. You're testing for mycotoxins, which are byproducts of molds. So yeah, I would not recommend. A personal DIY remediation, because even if you do all the things even though I did all the things, I still felt like I had some exposure, even though there was containment and I was running air filters, like, all over the house 24 7 and every single room I still was like, Oh I feel like I need to get out of the house.

[00:30:34] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I have a little bit of brain fog. Still. I need to take some binders. And so to do it yourself mycotoxins can get, through the skin. So I just think I wouldn't do it. If there was one thing I was going to spend my money on, it would be the remediation team to come in and do it. 

[00:30:50] Christa Biegler, RD: I know you knew about this remediation team, so I just want to ask this question again from a different angle.

[00:30:56] Christa Biegler, RD: There are some sources, websites. That may have some decent remediators possibly, or what, how do you recommend people going about finding a remediator that doesn't? 

[00:31:05] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, so I see. I so I S E a like the C I. org is a great source for remediators. Enviro biomics, which sells armies and swabs has great resources for remediators and, like mold specialist doctors as well as mold inspectors.

[00:31:28] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And they also list them by state, which is nice. There are some mold inspectors that will travel all over the country. If you really want to find a good one, you feel like you're in an area that doesn't have a good one. Yeah, I like ICI. org. 

[00:31:41] Christa Biegler, RD: I did have a client tell me though, recently, she did have one of those inspectors that came in and had the experience that you mentioned, which was, let me take a zillion air samples and here it is 15, 000 later.

[00:31:52] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So I think when you do your own like home assessment and then let's say you do a urine mycotoxin test on yourself. 

[00:32:01] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:32:02] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Certain molds really like certain building materials. ciTrinin is common. It's a yellowish mold is commonly found in HVAC systems. So I just had a client come back and see, it was like citrin in, in her mycotoxin test.

[00:32:16] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And so Make sure the mold inspector is looking in your HVAC. I can't tell you how many mold inspectors don't look at HVACs because you gotta open it up and it's a pain. And to look in your ductwork. So I like to, this is my process, inspect your own house, use the gadgets that I recommended, so that When you do bring in someone, you can guide them because the history of your home, that 2 months ago, there was a little water spot.

[00:32:42] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Cause you know, the mold inspector is literally only looking at your home from the 4 to 5 hour window that they are in it. They don't know the whole history. So I like to do a little home inspection. Urine mycotoxin test, see what comes up based on those mycotoxins guide, which building materials just to really double check and make sure they're looking at some like more like a drywall symbols, like more of a flooring symbols like concrete.

[00:33:05] Dr. Emily Kiberd: So using that as a guide and then. Just making sure the mold inspectors really thorough, like I would follow them around. I would ask, Hey, are you going to do an air cavity sample? Not just an air sample in the room because an air sample in the room only gets about a three foot radius, right? So if your room is like 20 by 10 and there's mold in the far corner and they're doing a air sample on the other side, it's going to come as like a false negative.

[00:33:36] Dr. Emily Kiberd: There's also mold inspection dogs that For people who have had multiple remediations that have failed, so they've done the whole remediation done a post test and still don't feel good. We'll bring in a mold dog and that mold dog will pick up areas that sometimes an inspector won't pick up. 

[00:33:53] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, I had not heard about a mold dog for a long time.

[00:33:56] Christa Biegler, RD: Okay 

[00:33:56] Christa Biegler, RD: in sheetrock. I just have this question. You talked about putting the pins for the moisture meter into wood, et cetera. So when she rock when it gets damaged, it can then spread. And so they're supposed to take out 2 feet around the sheet rock. 

[00:34:09] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, 

[00:34:10] Christa Biegler, RD: you probe the sheet rock and tell where it's growing usually. 

[00:34:14] Dr. Emily Kiberd: You could probe for the moisture, but I think the idea with removing 2 feet. Around the actual spot is that there could be itty bitty mold spores that you can't physically see. The idea is to just be extra and just remove a little bit you're already removing, you're already going to have to put that drywall back.

[00:34:35] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Might as well just do about a 2 feet from either side of where the water damage is, just in case there's mold particles that you can't see. Yeah, but yeah, you could put a moisture meter in check, but it's only picking up moisture. It's not going to be picking up mold necessarily. 

[00:34:51] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, 

[00:34:52] Christa Biegler, RD: I had a thing happen this summer where I was gone and the utility room linked into the bathroom next door.

[00:34:56] Christa Biegler, RD: And the nice part is that I can see behind the wall. It's in the utility room and I removed the trim, which was. A problem, but it was against the sheetrock and, I just haven't fully dealt with it completely. 

[00:35:13] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So I would cut up like two to three feet. 

[00:35:15] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, exactly. 

[00:35:16] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I think there's this, like, when we see our house, it's structurally.

[00:35:22] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I don't know. Perfect. It's put together. It makes sense. It's compartmentalize in our mind. And so sometimes I'll just be like your example. I have a client who did the same thing. She's oh, there was flooding in our garage. And I like took off the base, like the molding. I'm like, take off, 3 feet up and.

[00:35:39] Dr. Emily Kiberd: There's this idea that our house is structurally good I don't want to ruin it. But once you go through this process a couple times anything can be deconstructed and reconstructed. Drywall's not that expensive. Might as well take off more, just in case, because your health is so much worth it, and then just put drywall back on.

[00:35:55] Dr. Emily Kiberd: felt that way when I was first. I was like, oh, the wall and cutting the hole feels so overwhelming. Now I'm just like it's that thing out 

[00:36:02] Dr. Emily Kiberd: tiring, right? 

[00:36:03] Christa Biegler, RD: Like this whole process, even though you knew exactly what you were doing, when did this start and then you just wrapped it up.

[00:36:09] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, it started Labor Day and it's December 5th today. 

[00:36:12] Christa Biegler, RD: So I get it. 

[00:36:15] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. Okay. So what do you, would you say to someone who's living in an environment with mold? So this person's identified that they're living in a moldy environment because of their symptoms. They don't know where it is for sure.

[00:36:25] Christa Biegler, RD: And they just want to move out, but they're struggling struggling to find a different place. So they're just feeling defeated with the symptoms. whAt's your advice to that kind of person? 

[00:36:34] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I would make it a priority to find a place to move to and if you can't move, whether it's financial or, housing is really expensive right now rentals.

[00:36:45] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I would try and be out of your house as much as possible. So we had molded New York. We couldn't find the source. We still lived in it for a couple of years. And the only way it was because I was. Working out of the house, 12 hours a day, and probably out of the house, 14 hours a day. So I was just getting less exposure.

[00:37:01] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I try to open my windows. I would run air filters. It's not going to make it better 100%, but it can decrease the load. I personally would probably be taking some gentle binders depending on the person, how sensitive they are. I know some doctors will say. We're not going to start a mold protocol until you're out until exposure, but I've done it for myself where I'm getting minute.

[00:37:28] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I am getting exposure and I'm still going through a mold protocol and still going about my day and thriving. Yeah, 

[00:37:34] Christa Biegler, RD: I think you don't have to let it defeat you and you can bind up active mold. It's just a matter of am I active exposed. Then I probably to me, I think, actively doing a little bit of binding with a plan to exit.

[00:37:46] Christa Biegler, RD: And maybe even doing a little bit of mold killing, if that's what you need to do with a plan to exit is tends to work. Okay. It's just a matter of that's what I've seen just from experience dealing with it. And that was a question I had for you is you've come in and out of mold a few times.

[00:38:02] Christa Biegler, RD: And so how have you managed your own protocols or symptoms, et cetera? Do you want to talk a little bit about how healing has regressed and progressed 

[00:38:10] Christa Biegler, RD: a little bit? 

[00:38:12] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah yeah, so on and off of binders. Different binders go with different molds and mycotoxins. Some binders I do really well with, like I do really well on a cholestyramine.

[00:38:24] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Clays kill me, like I feel like death. And I'm okay with charcoal. If I've been exposed I'm making sure my detox pathways are open. I'm making sure I'm pooping, peeing, drinking water, sweating. I jump in a sauna. I have a therisage in the house. Take some liver support supplements, glutathione. I also am focusing on foods that are natural bile movers and binders.

[00:38:55] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Because I have been on binders for years at a time when I was in New York, like I was taking cholesteramine four times a day, every day for like years. And I did feel like nutrient deficient because it's not just binding a mold, right? It's binding everything. 

[00:39:09] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:39:10] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Saunas. Getting out of the house, getting fresh air.

[00:39:14] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I'm not on binders constantly. Now, like even after this mold last mold event, I haven't put myself. I will take some charcoal, but not anything more than that. And I feel okay. 

[00:39:24] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:39:25] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Take some supplements for brain fog for energy and 

[00:39:30] Christa Biegler, RD: reasonably. 

[00:39:31] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, 

[00:39:32] Christa Biegler, RD: you don't have to just like deconstruct forever.

[00:39:35] Christa Biegler, RD: And I would say thanks for bringing that up. That was by my comment was binders with an exit strategy because you can't just live on binders for the rest of your life. In my opinion. You could. 

[00:39:43] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, 

[00:39:44] Christa Biegler, RD: it's very depleting, as you said, right? Because it's binding up lots of things.

[00:39:46] Christa Biegler, RD: And so that's the tricky part. It's we can't give you a one sentence answer and call it good forever, right? It's you still have to deal with the problem. 

[00:39:53] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. And super constipating. And then Ladies with Hashimoto's already have slow motility in their gut. And then you're taking binders and, yeah, it's tricky.

[00:40:03] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And I think people get stuck when they're like, Oh I'm on the protocol. So I don't have to exit. Like exit strategy should be like top of the list, in my opinion. Yeah. 

[00:40:13] Christa Biegler, RD: Every time I encounter a mold that we didn't know is there with a client, which is unfortunately more common than I wish it was, I wish it was like a common reality of zero, but it's more than that.

[00:40:25] Christa Biegler, RD: I eventually have to teach them. Here's what you can do. And you're going to need to go work on this because it doesn't make sense for you to pay me. So you can work on this environment at this point. You saw what success looks like. And so here's where you're at to maintain, you need to exit and then.

[00:40:40] Christa Biegler, RD: If you need help, come back basically. Cause it's to your point and you knew what you were doing. It just takes a while sometimes. Cause it's like you're coordinating 

[00:40:47] Christa Biegler, RD: several things.

[00:40:49] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. And people get stuck. Like I'm, I don't know if you're a client, like they get stuck. Like I have, I've had a client for two months.

[00:40:54] Dr. Emily Kiberd: We knew mold from the beginning, got the results of an organic acid test and a urine mycotoxin test. I'm like, so when's that remediator coming? And it's a mental challenge as well. 

[00:41:06] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, or, 

[00:41:07] Christa Biegler, RD: You can't even get them, and so it's it's cool if everything just lines up, but it's not always like that.

[00:41:11] Christa Biegler, RD: There's always it's you have to dedicate some time to it. I like to tell people that it's okay to understand this and to be aware of it because no one's immune to it. I mentioned you offline and mentioned this several times. I've had 4 water intrusions this year because we had a major hailstorm last summer.

[00:41:27] Christa Biegler, RD: And so you just keep finding spots that were compromised. It was like, Oh. Cool. 

[00:41:31] Christa Biegler, RD: Oh, I got no water in here today. What's going on? So anyway, and actually they weren't all related to that one was related to this. We put in a water filter and then it leaked. That was where the bathroom got affected.

[00:41:41] Christa Biegler, RD: Like I could choose between my health, the water, whatever. So try to find some humor in it and be like, it's going to be fine. I have some tools, I have some tools to deal with it. People have different feelings about different things. I have an ozone machine for different uses.

[00:41:55] Christa Biegler, RD: And so that has been a tool for me to mitigate things while I work on the real remediation, because at least it kills the top in the short term. It's going to go back, but at least I can deal with it in that moment, which was really helpful the day I realized that it was spreading all over my house because the HVAC was in the utility room that was affected.

[00:42:12] Christa Biegler, RD: Literally smell it. I was like, Oh my gosh. 

[00:42:15] Christa Biegler, RD: We must solve it. So anyway, experience is worth a lot, which is why you're here. Thank you so much. 

[00:42:20] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Thanks. It's not if, it's when. 

[00:42:22] Christa Biegler, RD: Exactly. 

[00:42:23] Dr. Emily Kiberd: It's gonna happen. Like a water something, like you said, it's gonna happen. So be prepared. Have the tools, know how to look at your house.

[00:42:30] Dr. Emily Kiberd: People take better care of their cars than they do of their houses, like houses need a lot of upkeep. It don't be in denial. 

[00:42:35] Christa Biegler, RD: No, if it was wet for 24 to 48 hours, there's probably a mold situation. 

[00:42:40] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, so 

[00:42:41] Christa Biegler, RD: I just really appreciate the little tools you gave because I think, 1 of the stuck points is how do I find this?

[00:42:47] Christa Biegler, RD: And then so many inspectors are just not, you could maybe do a better inspection sometimes than some inspectors. Unfortunately, has been my experience living vicariously through the clients. 

[00:42:56] Christa Biegler, RD: So if you had to wrap and provide a few words of wisdom to the person hearing this that really needed it.

[00:43:03] Christa Biegler, RD: Any comments? And then where can people find you online? 

[00:43:07] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. If you're struggling with symptoms, like you've worked with a provider and you've worked on gut health and you're still not feeling great and you have some of the things that we've talked about, physical symptoms or symptoms in your building, take the next step.

[00:43:20] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Your health is worth it. Sometimes mold can create such bad brain fog. We forget what our normal feels like. And there is. And other side, right? And it's hard to move forward with fatigue and brain fog, but just keep walking forward towards your health. I have a couple of resources.

[00:43:39] Dr. Emily Kiberd: I have a free mold guide, 

[00:43:40] Christa Biegler, RD: which it's good. It's really good.

[00:43:42] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Oh, thank you. 

[00:43:43] Christa Biegler, RD: You've got these lovely photos. You link out to some of the products you mentioned. It's great. 

[00:43:47] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. 

[00:43:47] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. I have a mold master class. That is could be its own entire course, but I was like, 

[00:43:54] Christa Biegler, RD: and it's so reasonable you should buy it.

[00:43:56] Dr. Emily Kiberd: 37.

[00:43:57] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah, and people love it. And it's like start to finish, from detecting it to healing to getting out 

[00:44:04] Christa Biegler, RD: of your public service. 

[00:44:06] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. Yeah, so I can give you those links. You can drop in the show notes, 

[00:44:10] Christa Biegler, RD: dremilykiberd. com /mold if you don't 

[00:44:13] Christa Biegler, RD: see it in the show notes. 

[00:44:14] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yes. It's a free guide.

[00:44:15] Dr. Emily Kiberd: And then slash mold masterclass is the masterclass. 

[00:44:19] Christa Biegler, RD: Perfect. 

[00:44:20] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. 

[00:44:20] Christa Biegler, RD: And she's got some great content on Instagram. That was when I first saw your stuff where you were like, this is how I found it. I sent it to lots of people. It's see, it's just, I'm not trying to be crazy. I'm just like, Hey, she's doing a really calm job addressing this.

[00:44:34] Christa Biegler, RD: I've just got her head above her. So thank you so much for that. 

[00:44:37] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. So it took eight years to get there. 

[00:44:40] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:44:40] Christa Biegler, RD: Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge. It's really appreciated. 

[00:44:44] Christa Biegler, RD: Thanks. Yeah. Thanks. 

[00:44:45] Dr. Emily Kiberd: Yeah. Thanks for having me.

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