Facial Cupping For Anti-Aging with Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic.Ac

This week on The Less Stressed Life Podcast, I’m diving into a fascinating and practical conversation with Sakina Di Pace, a licensed acupuncturist and facial cupping expert, about how facial cupping can naturally reduce wrinkles, improve skin tone, and boost circulation—all without Botox!

In this episode, we dive deep into the power of facial cupping, why it’s a game-changer for skin health, and how it fits into the bigger picture of beauty in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). Plus, Sakina shares her alternative perspective on Botox and what she’s learned from helping women transition away from it.

Use code LESSSTRESSED for 10% off your order when you shop here: https://thefacialcuppingexpert.com/

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• How facial cupping works and how it differs from facial massage
• The truth about Botox—does it really help in the long run?
• The Chinese medicine approach to beauty—why balance matters
• How to start facial cupping at home (without making common mistakes)
• Why lymphatic drainage is key for glowing skin
• Who should and shouldn’t do facial cupping (Botox, rosacea, and more) 

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ABOUT GUEST:
Sakina Di Pace is a licensed acupuncturist with over 15 years of experience in the UK and US. She began using facial cupping to treat nerve conditions like Bell’s Palsy and later incorporated it into cosmetic acupuncture to improve facial muscle tone and skin health. During the 2020 lockdown, she launched The Facial Cupping Expert to teach at-home techniques and developed eco-friendly facial cups and oils for natural, glowing skin. Sakina believes in simple, consistent, and accessible skincare that empowers people to care for their skin naturally. 

WHERE TO FIND:
Website: https://thefacialcuppingexpert.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefacialcuppingexpert/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sereniteskin/

WHERE TO FIND CHRISTA:
Website: https://www.christabiegler.com/
Instagram: @anti.inflammatory.nutritionist
Podcast Instagram: @lessstressedlife
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@lessstressedlife
Leave a review, submit a questions for the podcast or take one of my quizzes here: https://www.christabiegler.com/links

NUTRITION PHILOSOPHY:

• Over restriction is dead; if your practitioner is recommending this, they are stuck in 2010 and not evolving
• Whole food is soul food and fed is best
• Sustainable, synergistic nutrition is in (the opposite of whack-a-mole supplementation & supplement graveyards)
• You don’t have to figure it out alone
• Do your best and leave the rest

SPONSOR:  
Thanks to Jigsaw Health for sponsoring this episode! Try their MagSoothe or MagSRT for better sleep and less stress. Use code LESSSTRESSED10 at JigsawHealth.com for 10% off—unlimited use!

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TRANSCRIPT:

[00:00:00] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Whatever you're putting inside you, whatever you're applying on your face, whatever you are eating, sometimes I feel like we're trying to find an external solution, rather than looking inside, what could I change emotionally? What could I change in my diet and lifestyle, which are all causes of disease for this to be resolved,

[00:00:17] Christa Biegler, RD: I'm your host, Christa Biegler, and I'm going to guess we have at least one thing in common that we're both in pursuit of a less stressed life. On this show, I'll be interviewing experts and sharing clinical pearls from my years of practice to support high performing health savvy women in pursuit of abundance and a less stressed life.

[00:00:46] Christa Biegler, RD: One of my beliefs is that we always have options for getting the results we want. So let's see what's out there together.

[00:01:04] Christa Biegler, RD: Today on The Less Stressed Life, I have the facial cupping expert, Sakina Di Pace. I hope she can correct me here in a moment. French with an Argentine influence. Not sure she'll let us know how to say her name properly. She's an acupuncturist with over 15 years of experience in the UK and the US. She began using facial cupping to help her patients with nerve conditions like peripheral neuropathy and facial paralysis like Bell's palsy.

[00:01:29] Christa Biegler, RD: Seeing how effective it is, she introduced facial cupping into her cosmetic acupuncture treatments to improve facial muscle tone and enhance skin health. And then during the 2020 lockdown, she created the facial cupping expert to teach people how to use these techniques at home. So I'm only smiling because for some people, this was such a reset for them.

[00:01:47] Christa Biegler, RD: It was like such an excuse to do something different. So she also developed her own eco friendly facial cups and oils to provide high quality products for natural glowing skin. So Kina believes skincare should be simple, consistent and accessible, empowering everyone to take care of their skin naturally.

[00:02:01] Christa Biegler, RD: She sent me her kit and I was just sharing with her. I have tried to do face cupping and facial lymphatic drainage because I'm trying to avoid, any allure of any Botox and take care of my skin, all of these things. And yeah, I'm like, could not stick with it because it was overly complicated.

[00:02:17] Christa Biegler, RD: So we'll talk about that later because I appreciated when I got this box. I was like, I know exactly what to do. I know exactly what to do. And it was easy. And I'm like, this is the first time out of three times. I think I'm going to get those this time. So thank you. for that. So let's jump in. Welcome to the show, Sakina.

[00:02:33] Christa Biegler, RD: And I can't wait to talk about your 

[00:02:34] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: crystal. 

[00:02:35] Christa Biegler, RD: I can't wait to talk about this journey, which is quite interesting and fascinated. I love background stories. So let's talk about when you were working with people and they came in to see you and they had Bell's palsy. This is so fascinating. I'd love to hear a little bit more about your, even if you want to share anything about when you started adding, like cupping to practice.

[00:02:55] Christa Biegler, RD: Cause you're a licensed. I believe. If you want to share anything about your kind of training and then, something else that's interesting for me and hopefully for the listener also is you're in Europe and I'm curious how you think referral, like for someone coming to see you as an acupuncturist, how common that is when they have different types of conditions, because in the U S people really have to seek that out separately.

[00:03:20] Christa Biegler, RD: So just anything you want to share about your history and your experience being a licensed acupuncturist would be fun to start with. 

[00:03:26] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Wow. That's a big question. Hi, Christa. I don't even know where to start. Yeah. Actually, I came back to France only three months ago, but all that time I was in the UK for so many years and we sometime in the U S working as an acupuncturist on cruise ship.

[00:03:40] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And I love Americans, like American guests are the best. There is this. I don't know that I really like about Americans and it was really fun to work over there. And over there I was doing so much acupuncture, but not so much cupping because the cupping we learn at school is about fire cupping.

[00:03:57] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Like when you put some fire inside a cup, that's a new switch on the side. Can we say that? Tilt it over the side quickly to remove the oxygen and it creates a suction. Okay. That's the one that we do for most. Pain relief very often on the back, sometimes we see like athletes with a cups mark on their back and that's what we do, and on the cruise ship, I couldn't do it because for safety reasons, I couldn't do any cupping and no fire.

[00:04:21] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And so I mostly did acupuncture, cosmetic acupuncture, that was my big things. And when I came back to the UK, to Scotland, I started to practice again and I could use my fire cup. And what happened is I had a patient with bell palsy who came one day and I really wanted to do some cupping over the nerve, over the facial nerve.

[00:04:43] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And obviously I was not going to use my fire cup. Like dangerous to use fire to fire too close to the face. And at this time, facial cupping wasn't a big thing. Like now you can facial cup, you have cup like from all over the world. But at that time I was just thinking, can I just have a cup for the face, and so I thought I type facial cups, but just. Because I was looking for that, and I found what one in South Korea, I got it. And I started intuitively because it's not something you learn at school, like you learn about acupuncture, but for cupping, I guess it depends on the kind of studying, but for cupping, we didn't cover nerve issues.

[00:05:22] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And so I started to to cup along the facial nerve and also the trigeminal nerve. And It was a woman who had Bell Palsy for many years, and we made such, such a good progress. And so it was amazing because, I don't know, when you become a practitioner, you think you're going to be a type of practitioner and you become another type of practitioner.

[00:05:42] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: For some reason, I thought I would be with. Women and pregnancy. And in fact I started to really be into pain, pain relief. And it met really such a good difference. So I started to have like more patient with bowel palsy. . And also with someone we came for trigeminal neural, which is a inflammation of the nerve or the three, three trigeminal nerve on the face, which is very painful.

[00:06:05] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And because I had the experience with Bell palsy, I started using the cup very gently following against the pathway of the nerve. And I remember this patient like crying of relief, like it made such. A difference to her. It was quite mind blowing. I have to say. So after that, I was really into, started to be into copying, and I thought I was doing quite a lot of cosmetic acupuncture and I thought, okay, if he can help somebody to regain some muscle activity on the paralyzed muscle, what about my patient for sagginess?

[00:06:40] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Who come forward to get more tonicity in the skin. And I started to add my facial cup into my acupuncture, cosmetic acupuncture treatment. And they just loved it. Some people just wanted the cup, to do cupping. And I was like no, you're going to get the needle first. And that's how it started.

[00:06:57] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I just. Made it up and learn on the way, I made many mistakes and that's why I feel, like a lot of people talk about the imposter syndrome, 

[00:07:06] Christa Biegler, RD: of course, 

[00:07:08] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: but I don't have it too much now. Maybe I should, I don't know, but I made so many mistakes in the past, like when it came the time when I could teach online and even on Instagram, I don't.

[00:07:19] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Suffer too much of the imposter syndrome just because I did so many mistakes, almost like I've done, 

[00:07:25] Christa Biegler, RD: this is such a good thing to highlight is that you get to success. You get to confidence through your mistakes and through your, 

[00:07:32] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. That's an interesting point actually. And yeah, as the more you fail, I'm a lot into failure now Yeah.

[00:07:38] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I had an assistant actually, and he did so many mistakes and I was like, it's okay. Keep doing mistakes. That's how we learn. And I feel like having a business actually is, it's fantastic to learn that's because you make mistakes and that's how you grow. And the issue is if you, now we're not talking about business, but otherwise we feel like.

[00:07:56] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: We, we try to be perfect to be out, you don't become perfect, but you become good by going out, being unperfect. And I felt I did that with facial copying. And that's why when I came out, like 

[00:08:09] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: yeah. 

[00:08:09] Christa Biegler, RD: There is no perfection, 

[00:08:10] Christa Biegler, RD: but don't tell that to perfectionists. They don't believe it yet. 

[00:08:14] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:08:17] Christa Biegler, RD: I have to know when you started to work with Bell's palsy, which is, it's such a significant thing and then you were seeing results quickly, all things considered that I've had this, I'd love to know how long did it take to see those changes?

[00:08:29] Christa Biegler, RD: How many treatments? How often were you seeing them initially? Were they doing any maintenance at home between the treatment? 

[00:08:34] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. That's an interesting question. So it really depends on how many years a patient had or months or weeks had a patient Bell Palsy. So this first client, my first client, she had Bell Palsy for 30 years.

[00:08:47] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay. She had tried everything. She was like, I've heard about acupuncture. What can we do? And I just tried. And we made, we didn't make a total recovery. We made I would say 80 percent like we made. That was really good because it was from a 30 years recovery. Okay. Some people it's like they come and they're crying because they just, it just happened.

[00:09:09] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: They had if it's happened this sudden onset, like the week before and they come and that's often gives. More result because we can also give some quick tip like for in traditional Chinese medicine We see bell palsy often as an invasion of wind and cold into the meridians So we can also tell them to apply some heat between the treatments We can also tell them to try facial cupping between the treatment as you were asking the question And at the same time, we do also doing some acupuncture.

[00:09:38] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And some electro acupuncture and by doing all that, if somebody is just at an onset, it's such a good thing to do straight away and we can see a result within a few weeks, which is really good. But it really depends on how long the person had Bell's palsy for. 

[00:09:52] Christa Biegler, RD: Well, Preston wants more around this client who had Bell's palsy for 30 years.

[00:09:56] Christa Biegler, RD: Did she see some shifts? It's pretty quick. We've been, we're oscillating between the human experience, the human experience is that we don't always continue to, if we don't get some results within a certain amount of time, sometimes we give up. And so I'm wondering. And at the same time, there is a level of desperation that drives us.

[00:10:13] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:10:13] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:10:14] Christa Biegler, RD: And then there's also people who are like, I've tried everything. So there's all of those cases that are very common. And so I'm curious, with her, I wonder what allowed her to continue. She must have gotten snippets of success within 

[00:10:25] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: quite 

[00:10:26] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: straight away. Yeah. Yeah. It's true.

[00:10:27] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. It's been like a long time now. It's been 2011, but I remember she had. Like from the first treatment, I remember she saw a difference, which encouraged her to continue. And then we decided to do at least 10. I think we did, I remember at some point we stopped. I think we, it wasn't fully recovered, but we had made amazing progress.

[00:10:47] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I remember she gave me a perfume to say thank you. She was really sweet. And we, maybe we saw each other for maybe, I would say quite a long time, like eight months, quite a long time, maybe not eight months. I don't remember Chris, I don't remember, but maybe less, but a long time. And because at the very beginning, she saw some shifts.

[00:11:06] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So she was really encouraged to continue. And then we continue up to a point. There was not any more progress. And we decide to stop like being happy to how much we had accomplished. Okay. I'm not saying like for some people, it will completely recover. And most of the people, she was like a case that was She was happy with yeah, and we were happy with how far we had gone, most people will 

[00:11:27] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: recover completely.

[00:11:27] Christa Biegler, RD: You're licensed acupuncturist. I'm sure Chinese medicine informs a lot of practice. I want to big picture and you can take this wherever you want. You started with these neurological conditions, which is. It's so incredibly rewarding for both of you and these people. And then you took it into more cosmetics and now it's available to everyone, right?

[00:11:49] Christa Biegler, RD: Or you're creating a education to make this available to everyone. And so I want to talk about how this relates to most people, which is. What are we doing with wrinkles? 

[00:12:01] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:12:01] Christa Biegler, RD: a Botox, epidemic, right? 

[00:12:04] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:12:04] Christa Biegler, RD: Let's talk about you, you also bring up the definition of beauty in traditional Chinese medicine.

[00:12:08] Christa Biegler, RD: So we just want to use the lens of Chinese medicine to talk about how we're going about skin care. Our bodies, et cetera, and how you see it. 

[00:12:19] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah, so very interestingly, so beauty and traditional Chinese medicine is mostly about being balanced emotionally and physically. Okay, so emotion are causes of disease in traditional Chinese medicine.

[00:12:33] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay, stress. I know you're talking a lot about stress affects the liver, fear affects the kidneys, worry affects the stomach, different grief affects the lungs, other joy or sadness can affect the heart. So all of these emotions that we often don't take into consideration in Western medicine affect our well being and will affect our skin.

[00:12:57] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: A stress liver, will cause stagnation and it will manifest on the face, a worrying as well, will cause bloating and then cause also manifest as a face as being happy, for example, causing stagnation. So it's very interesting how we really consider emotion as a source of disease. Okay. So being balanced emotionally is actually taking care of your skin, but also physically disease also.

[00:13:21] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Whatever you're putting inside you, whatever you're applying on your face, whatever you are eating, sometimes I feel like we're trying to find an external solution, like for example, Botox or, but it can be many other things rather than looking inside, what could I change emotionally? What could I change in my diet and lifestyle, which are all causes of disease for this to be resolved, so that's, that I'm really like, it's a really integrative medicine, like considering all these aspects.

[00:13:48] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: That are linked with our beauty. 

[00:13:50] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. It's just feels so, it feels like a warm blanket of a hug, that answer. Thank you. Integrity of medicine. This comes up a lot on this show. We talk about. I think that I actually, I had another absolutely very different licensed acupuncturist. He was like a guy from Boston that looked like a biker gang.

[00:14:12] Christa Biegler, RD: And I loved him for that purpose, but we had such a fun conversation about bringing things into balance and actually just how all of these ancient medicines. I think he said, the reason I bring him up, I think he said, nothing is new. Everything is being borrowed or passed down through tradition or we rediscover truths that we already had.

[00:14:32] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Huh. Yeah. Very interestingly, it's like when you talk about the ancient, like I had a friend from Latvia. Latvia, very small country next to Russia, and she was living in the countryside as a kid, she was like, and her grandmother used to always tell her, don't sit on the cold bench.

[00:14:50] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: It's going to affect your fertility. Don't sit on the cold bed. Because one day she actually caught me and I was like, Oh, maybe me. I caught her. I forgot. But like a grandmother knew that if you don't want to expose your kidney to cold. Oh, okay. Because it causes infertility. It's one of the main thing in traditional Chinese medicine.

[00:15:07] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: If you want to get pregnant, put some slippers and protect your kidneys. Okay. This grandmother in Latvia, in the in the forest knew that. Okay. And as you were saying, it's Maybe now we are a bit out of touch with all this intuition maybe they used to have, and talking to ancient people is full of wisdom if we want to hear them, but they know so much.

[00:15:30] Christa Biegler, RD: For me, pattern recognition is one of my favorite things. Wonderful job where I get to ask people questions and 

[00:15:37] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: yeah, 

[00:15:38] Christa Biegler, RD: I get to ask people and look for common denominators and then find truths for people that don't know each other, but they have also found those same truths. And I realized perhaps I only remember interviewing you and this other man as acupuncturists.

[00:15:52] Christa Biegler, RD: And I remember after that conversation, I'm like, I guess I'm going to go into acupuncture in my retirement. 

[00:15:55] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:15:56] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Lots of people want to do so much knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:16:01] Christa Biegler, RD: Fascinating. Okay. So we talked a little bit about Chinese medicine, the perspective of Chinese medicine informing us informing balances beauty which is just very validating to me because that's how I'm starting to talk to clients is that, really, if you're having symptoms, Then things are out of balance and we're bringing systems back into balance to correct.

[00:16:22] Christa Biegler, RD: This as clinicians, as I say that, like we all know that, but that's really what we're pursuing is balance in our systems. 

[00:16:28] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:29] Christa Biegler, RD: So we talked a little bit about that Chinese medicine picture, and then here we are in this cosmetic industry around wrinkles. And Maybe we could jump in a little bit to tactically first.

[00:16:40] Christa Biegler, RD: At first, you were quote unquote, making it up, but it was informed by anatomy, right? It was informed by anatomy of you were like, okay, the trigeminal nerve goes here or something. 

[00:16:49] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Oh, yeah this is yeah. 

[00:16:50] Christa Biegler, RD: So let's talk about, let's actually just go straight to the thing people, everyone wants to know about when they saw the title of this episode about facial cupping, talk to women about wrinkles and how you develop a protocol around that.

[00:17:04] Christa Biegler, RD: What do we do with wrinkles? What does that mean for us? Maybe you want to continue on the Chinese medicine path and then also bring us around to like how you developed a system for facial cupping. 

[00:17:16] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yes. So what is interesting is like everybody is interested in wrinkles and I have very healthy, into nature friend who, who still have wrinkle that bother them.

[00:17:29] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: It's almost like almost on all our paths, our wrinkle bother us. Unfortunately, in some ways, and we're trying to desperately find some ways to make them go, and it's like such a universal concern. And very often we turn to towards Botox because Botox is an easy fix, right?

[00:17:45] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: We inject a drug into the muscle that frees the muscle and then the wrinkle disappear like within a few days. And that's great. Job done, except we have to redo that every three months, every four months. And it's okay for the first year, second year, third year, fourth year. And then the skin start to lose some elasticity.

[00:18:06] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: The skin is like, we need to have the treatment more and more often. And the problem is we cannot stop aging. So more wrinkle appear. And what is very interesting is because we put some Botox in some muscle, we still want to make this expression. And because we cannot use the muscle that for example, the muscle of the forehead, when we are surprised, we start to use surrounding muscle.

[00:18:30] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And what is interesting is we starting to create more wrinkles because we're not using the ring, the muscle we should be using. So we create more wrinkles, which means more Botox. Okay. And. I would say it's fine. It is fine. I don't know if it's ever fine, but you put some drugs into your body for, yeah, for a few years and then it's going to start to show you, you cannot stop the process of aging.

[00:18:52] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And we actually lucky to be aging, not everybody gets a chance. So it's just like delaying this moment or at some point, we're not going to be able to do anything. And we're going to start to look. Not very nice. We're full of Botox and filler. It's like we're fighting an impossible fight. I feel it's like the earlier we can accept, the easier it's going to be, and the more it's going to show on our face.

[00:19:15] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Someone who has accepted the wrinkles. It doesn't mean doing anything like we can talk about how cupping, gua sha, facial massage, face yoga, all that can help, but we accept it. We embrace it. And we try to go with embracing with aging, how to look the best. Okay. But I feel being with Botox, we fighting, we going against the flow and it will show on our face because how depressing it is to you look at your face, see you are aging And you're trying everything, put that, put buttocks, put in, and it doesn't work.

[00:19:48] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: It works just so such a short period of time. And then it affects your emotion. You become depressed. You look at yourself in the mirror and you're like, Oh, what can I do? And then if you're sad and if you're not happy about yourself, yeah, it's going to manifest on your face. So I feel it's so much better to first embrace it.

[00:20:04] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay. We are aging, feeling grateful to be able to age. Not everybody gets a chance. Then what can I do? Okay, what other technique, instead of freezing the muscle, how can I help the flow of qi, which is often the cause of wrinkles is stagnation, mostly stagnation. How can I encourage the lymph, the blood, the qi to move?

[00:20:25] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: For me, facial cupping is the best, like acupuncture, like you start to move following the lymphatic drainage pathway. You help everything, you help to alleviate the stagnation. To clear stagnation. And it's a beautiful way of aging because you take care of your skin so it becomes plumper, it becomes rosier, it becomes tighter.

[00:20:46] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: But It's your skin becoming like that. It's not you preventing a wrinkle to appear. It's almost like working against, I don't know how to say, Botox. It's gonna work for you a few years, yeah, but in the end you're gonna lose your battle. And it's gonna affect your emotion, it's gonna affect your skin. Like I used to have a patient, she used to do Botox for the forehead wrinkle.

[00:21:07] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I had Botox for 10 years. I told her, okay, let's stop the Botox for three months before we can do facial cupping. And at the beginning I had a bigger cup, I couldn't stick it on the forehead. The skin was so thin, Botox of maybe not the first, maybe it's not the fifth, I don't know, five Botox injection, but over the year it's going to thin your skin.

[00:21:26] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And then even the bigger cup couldn't stick, the skin was so thin and she was young. We did some facial cupping, some acupuncture. And after a few months I could Start to use a bigger cup. She had enough skin to create a section and it was such a good win, and I saw her, now it's some years ago, but I had seen her after she stopped coming for the treatment.

[00:21:45] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So I had moved to show him anyway. And and she still hadn't come back to Botox and she was still doing some cupping at home, which was really nice to see, yeah. I'm racing. I feel is gonna make you good in the long run. Yeah. Like beauty is about also about accepting there is something about accepting that shines into someone.

[00:22:08] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I go to the gym and there is always this group of women in the morning. They are like between. I would say. 60s in the 60s. And at some point, I'm going to ask them if I can take a picture of them. They look stunning. I promise you, they look stunning. Physically, first of all, I'm like I want your body, but also in the face, they have wrinkles, they have white hair, not everybody, but I can see there is no work done.

[00:22:32] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Maybe I'm wrong, but, and they look, they're like a little group. So they're like socially they are friends and they go to the gym every morning. And They look super healthy and they shine. I promise you they are beautiful and beauty is so much more than not having a wrinkle. And yeah, there is this acceptance.

[00:22:51] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:22:52] Christa Biegler, RD: You speak about this fervor, like you've walked with women who have been in this sad place where they're unhappy with them. 

[00:22:59] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. 

[00:23:01] Christa Biegler, RD: They've been depressed about it. 

[00:23:02] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:23:03] Christa Biegler, RD: Help women come off of Botox potentially, or maybe they've just made that decision like, okay, this doesn't end. Now and so you've, I can tell you've walked with women based on your passion around it.

[00:23:16] Christa Biegler, RD: I want to underline this statement that you said that I might write on a piece of paper and post somewhere, which is just a good reminder that we are lucky to be aging because not everyone gets the chance. 

[00:23:25] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, it is. And we need to remind that yeah, we take life for granted, but you can go in like a minute.

[00:23:36] Christa Biegler, RD: For sure. This is a really unnecessary question, but this is where my brain went. Have you ever had someone come in that had really negative impacts from Botox besides the person you just shared about where her skin was really thin and maybe it was just so many, you were compiling all of that and part of your story, but I just want to ask that before I move on to more cupping questions.

[00:23:57] Christa Biegler, RD: Did you see some? negative impacts of Botox that made you even more passionate about this topic. 

[00:24:04] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. I had a client who had a droopy eyelid and she had put some Botox. I'm not a Botox therapy, so I don't know where we put the needles, and he started to make the droop even more and said she started to have some twitching, for example, like very negative effect of Botox.

[00:24:19] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And I have a lot not so much personally I didn't have so many patients myself having like very negative effect of Botox, but it's by looking on internet and following some some Instagram account, like no talks that I can see, like so many experiences with women, like who had like a bad experience about Botox.

[00:24:39] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I didn't experience myself many clients having. Because people who come to acupuncture generally, they are like trying to find alternative to Botox, like I didn't have so many clients with Botox, like the woman I talked about you is yeah, one of them, but I didn't have so many if you have Botox, generally you don't look for acupuncture in some way.

[00:25:00] Christa Biegler, RD: I understand for sure. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about facial cupping. So I had tried to learn some. Facial lymphatic drainage for anti aging, and it was a bit complicated. There was this movement, I'm like pinching, like my eyebrow is like a pie crust. Probably an ancient, my mom did teach me how to make pie.

[00:25:22] Christa Biegler, RD: I was doing this, which kind of reminds me of the flash cupping. But the reason I bring that up is what is the difference between using cups versus using our hands? 

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[00:25:57] Christa Biegler, RD: The thing about magnesium is that there's a lot of types of magnesium that will give you symptomatic relief, but I like to steer my clients and loved ones to a more absorbable form of magnesium, because most big box magnesium is magcitrate, and that will push bowels, but it can be damaging to your teeth if it's used daily and it's not the most Rather, Jigsaw Health makes one of my favorite great tasting magnesium powders called MagSue that has magnesium glycinate, my favorite calming and absorbable type of magnesium. It's available in both a great tasting powder and to go packets, and they also make a product that's great for slow release, especially if you have restless legs, called MagSRT.

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[00:27:17] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: It's like a negative pressure, so it's almost like a reverse massage. With your hand, you apply pressure on the skin, that will really following the lymphatic drainage pathway, and it will help the lymph to flow in this way.

[00:27:29] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Whereas when you do the cup, you lift. The tissues, you leave the different layer of skin which creates some space, between the muscle and the skin. And it's fantastic because very often there is stagnation there. And by lifting the different tissue, you let the blood, the chi and the lymph flow more easily.

[00:27:50] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So I would just say it's like similar, but opposites. 

[00:27:54] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, 

[00:27:54] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: yeah, it's like a negative pressure. 

[00:27:56] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:27:56] Christa Biegler, RD: So you decided to go when you were trying to decide how could I help people you went with cups on purpose because you liked what you saw with cups more. Yeah. Maybe then. Manual pressure with hands, although they could both be good, but yeah, that's what you saw.

[00:28:11] Christa Biegler, RD: Okay, cool. 

[00:28:13] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. I've loved these effects of lifting the skin. I really feel it's, I don't know how to say it's like when you do a cake and you do the white egg. Like you make them fluff. 

[00:28:23] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, 

[00:28:24] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I don't know. Yeah, like it brings air into the skin. When you see it's like, when you have wrinkled, dry skin, everything is like all stuck together.

[00:28:35] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: You're lifting the tissue. I feel for me, it's like putting air and letting everything flow inside. So it's a bit different than massage. For me, it's like a Yeah. I love it. Yeah. 

[00:28:45] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Reverse massage. Yeah. I 

[00:28:47] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: like a reverse massage. 

[00:28:48] Christa Biegler, RD: So we've had Dr. Perry Nicholson on the show before he's actually got an encore episode that's republishing around Christmas, probably right before this show is coming out.

[00:28:56] Christa Biegler, RD: And so in that he talks, I think he does an okay job probably talking about, it's been a while since I did that interview, but we really talk about doing things in order, right? And opening up 

[00:29:05] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: yeah. 

[00:29:06] Christa Biegler, RD: Which is really above the clavicle. And would you say that if that doesn't get done, you could have some stagnation?

[00:29:13] Christa Biegler, RD: So you also want to start in the neck. 

[00:29:15] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah, 

[00:29:16] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: totally. Yeah, like for example, if you have a double skin sometimes you just want to do, oh, I'm going to do massage under my chin, or I'm going to do the cup, or I'm going to do, I don't know what under the chin. But maybe the issue is like the, I know people cannot see us, but maybe the issue is that the lymph nodes at the corner of the jaw are blocked.

[00:29:33] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So you want to drain them first down the neck because the lymphatic system returns to the circulatory system just at the clavicle. Okay, here. So even if you have a problem with your leg, you want to start at the neck, okay, you start at the neck because if it's blocked here, you can move all the lymph that you want in your body, in your hand, in your feet.

[00:29:52] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: At some point, it's going to be blocked here. So you start with the ending. To allow more fluid, more lymph to come and be drained into the circulatory system. So back to the hearts. So yeah, double chin, start at the at the neck. Puffy eyes, start at the neck. Start at the neck. Start at the neck with your hand, with your brush, with your facial cap, with Gua Sha.

[00:30:11] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: There is many different ways, I actually, like I use a cup, but my favorite way is with little brushes, tack. I like really much brushing as well. To open up. The 

[00:30:21] Christa Biegler, RD: I'll share some, a little bit of stories here. This is an area that I'm very interested in, because I personally have experienced mold issues.

[00:30:32] Christa Biegler, RD: I have a lot of clients that have, there are a lot of lymph nodes in the neck. I find that when people have rashes on the neck, very commonly, there is some mold exposure, fungal exposure. But like you said. Even I grew up being told I had big lymph nodes by the doctors. And so I actually would use that for a long time as a measure of my inflammation.

[00:30:55] Christa Biegler, RD: Are my lymph nodes small? And gosh, it's been a long time since that's really happened, which is such a. blessing. But when I started to discover manual lymphatic drainage, I was familiar with herbs that supported lymph drainage, probably before manual lymphatic drainage, just because my background is in herbs.

[00:31:12] Christa Biegler, RD: And something else I see with clients a lot, and then also for myself, because I feel like we're all quite similar very often, was that sometimes if my face was a little bit more. Round or puffy, it just shows me like, here's how my lymphatics are doing, here's how my thyroid, I find like very commonly, not with labs offer thyroid, but thyroid symptoms, which can be still sluggish thyroid, I'd see like a more round face around presentation, I can really take inventory of my life and what's going on.

[00:31:39] Christa Biegler, RD: But, and to be continued, I've just been doing your cupping in. I'm going to call it a protocol, it's really six steps for the most part, maybe it's five. I'm looking at the card in front of me. Six, six, six. Just for a couple of days. And I'm like, I think this is good. But ultimately you feel instantly, you can literally feel I'm going to call it blood flow, but like it feel there's a sensation that happens.

[00:32:01] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:32:03] Christa Biegler, RD: It's like doing exercise in the face. It's like this. 

[00:32:05] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah, 

[00:32:05] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: exactly. That's what my patient used to say. It's like going to the gym. 

[00:32:08] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. Yeah. It's actually my clients who 

[00:32:10] Christa Biegler, RD: were saying that. 

[00:32:11] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah, it does. It does. It does. 

[00:32:13] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:32:13] Christa Biegler, RD: So I love it. It's been really enjoyable. I want to ask you something that I'd heard from someone else who teaches manual lymphatic drainage for the face.

[00:32:22] Christa Biegler, RD: Doesn't matter if you do this cupping or lymph drainage before bed. What is your thought on that? Because some people would say, I've heard this a couple places, that if you do that before bed and then you lie down, since lymph is all about movement, you could cause some stagnation or maybe some actual more issue if you go lay down right afterwards.

[00:32:41] Christa Biegler, RD: So what do you think? 

[00:32:42] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay. So that's interesting. Very interesting question is that it depends what's your aim so for me, if you really just want to work on the lymphatic drainage, I really like to do brushing and I really recommend to do it in the morning because as you said, you're laying, you're coming out from Laying down all night, and you need to kickstart the lymph.

[00:33:02] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So the lymph doesn't have a pump like the circulatory system, so it really relies on us moving in order to be moving. And that's why it's so important to apply creams. Very often we wonder what kind of cream we should buy, but what really matters is It's how we message it into the face, like more important than the cream is how we message it.

[00:33:21] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And the fact that we message your face is how we get a lymph flowing as well. Yeah. To kick start the lymphatic system, I really encourage you to do it in the morning. Most people who want, who are using the facial cup are using it to have a tighter skin. And if you want to, if you mostly use the cup to have a, to boost the circulation, to have a tighter skin to encourage absorption of the oil.

[00:33:51] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Of the active ingredients in your oil while you're sleeping, to get your skin more moisturized. I really encourage you to do before bed because during the night, the skin regenerates, your hair grows, your nail grow, and your skin, all your cells are like in a recovery mode, whereas during the day they are in like fighting mode, protection mode.

[00:34:09] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So I feel for me, the day is more about protection and during the nights is more to help the skin to recover. So the answer is a bit depends on what you're looking at. So for me, it's more like I want to wake up with a glowing face. I prefer to do it before going to bed. But if you just want to work on the lymphatic drainage, I would use more like brushing or even gua sha or even facial massage on the weekends in the morning to combine both.

[00:34:33] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: To be honest it's great. 

[00:34:35] Christa Biegler, RD: This is useful. And I think everyone's different, but it's almost easier for me to do it before bed than any other time. And I want to just ask a clarifying question. You said it's important to apply creams. And do you also mean oils because you always use like a lubricant underneath these?

[00:34:49] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Oh, yeah. 

[00:34:50] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I, when I was telling you about my mistakes at the beginning, like I'm not a beauty therapist. So I didn't know that oil could be comedogenic. I don't know for some reason I didn't know. So I started with coconut oil, in 2011, I don't know, it was coconut oil was everywhere.

[00:35:05] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So coconut oil. So I said, let's put coconut oil on the face. Except that it's massively comedogenic, so it will clog your pores. So I remember having some patients coming back being upset because they had oh, acne, a breakout, and I was like, what am I doing wrong?

[00:35:20] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So I bought another oil. Anyway, that's how I learned about oil. And yeah, that's, again. 

[00:35:25] Christa Biegler, RD: And it's 

[00:35:25] Christa Biegler, RD: so antimicrobial. It can disrupt the microbalance on the skin, apparently. We've done an episode on that. 

[00:35:31] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Oh, very interesting. 

[00:35:32] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah, so you've chosen prickly parasite oil, which I've probably never seen before I got this from you.

[00:35:38] Christa Biegler, RD: So 

[00:35:39] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: yeah, it's like 

[00:35:39] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: a golden elixir. So it can smell strong depending on the batch, but it's like one of the most expensive oil on the market. It can smell, we are really like it can be very earthy or sometimes it can be like,

[00:35:50] Christa Biegler, RD: it's 

[00:35:50] Christa Biegler, RD: just a very unique smell. Yeah. And I've only known prickly pears to grow on cacti in the desert in Arizona, but this is in Morocco, so there must be prickly pear trees.

[00:36:01] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: No, it's 

[00:36:02] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: a, yeah, it's the same, like anywhere like it's a bit hot, there is prickly pear. The only issue is it's super difficult to make because, okay, the fruit can be eaten and the cactus doesn't require any water, so it's very eco friendly, sustainable, except that you need to take the fruit. Which have many little spike on it, and you need to cut the food and it's from the seed.

[00:36:22] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay. So seed, except the seed, there is only 5 percent of the seeds that contain odds. So you need a million seed. Okay. So you need a million cities, like a massive bag to make just one liter. Okay. It's crazy. And it takes eight hours to cold pressed. This medium seed. So it's, it is actually the most expensive oil on the market.

[00:36:42] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So it's like, 

[00:36:44] Christa Biegler, RD: why did you pick that one? 

[00:36:45] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Because it's like a golden elixir for the skin. That is a reason more of it is like 150 percent more vitamin E than, argan oil or any other oil on the market, any other oil. It's just so many people, they use a prickly pear cider and they mix it with other oil because it's too expensive in some ways.

[00:37:01] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So I think I'm still quite cheap. My suppliers keep telling me, raise your price, but I understand it, but it's just so pure, like it's so pure. I came to, to visit him in Morocco with my son two years ago now, and he became a friend now. He cold presses cold presses the oil at the back garden in his mum and it's all so pure the way it's done.

[00:37:20] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And the thing with prickly persimmon oil, you can find it on Amazon. You never know how long it's been on the shelf. 

[00:37:26] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. So to clarify, you get this prickly pear oil from a local man in Morocco. 

[00:37:31] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A 

[00:37:32] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: friend though. I would say, I don't know if you can say a friend, but it's such a nice relationship and his skin, Christa, his skin is just like 

[00:37:39] Christa Biegler, RD: gorgeous.

[00:37:40] Christa Biegler, RD: How did you say he makes it in his back room? It was the only thing you said on this interview. I was like, what did she say? 

[00:37:44] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: I saw he makes it in the, like in the backyard at his mom. 

[00:37:48] Christa Biegler, RD: Yeah. Okay. At the back. I was like, it sounded like at the back room at his mom's. So I love a story.

[00:37:53] Christa Biegler, RD: I just wanted to hear it. I just, I'm like, am I hearing this right? Her friend makes the oil at his mom's in a back room. Got it. Okay, cool. 

[00:38:02] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. 

[00:38:02] Christa Biegler, RD: I love that. I love that this, what is your friend's name? And then I'm going to look at this and 

[00:38:07] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Hamid. Yeah. He's really 

[00:38:10] Christa Biegler, RD: put his name on this bottle, Hamid made with love.

[00:38:13] Christa Biegler, RD: I think you guys should start putting that on the label made by Hamid. 

[00:38:17] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Exactly. 

[00:38:18] Christa Biegler, RD: So I love that he's 

[00:38:21] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: he's working really hard as well. it's nice. I like also, again, coming back to business, you know how you make new connection and with him, it's a very nice connection, I think. And he works really so hard and yeah, 

[00:38:34] Christa Biegler, RD: and this is where I'll start to wrap up our conversation is a little bit about kind of the inception of this, right?

[00:38:42] Christa Biegler, RD: So 2020 happened, you're maybe you're not seeing clients and you're like, I wonder what else I could be doing. And so then you ended up here and there's a little bit about this in your bio, but this has been an interesting journey if you're getting Moroccan. Oil from Hamad, and so I'm just curious about some of the business startup story because you what you do is you you provide education and these lovely sized facial cups.

[00:39:07] Christa Biegler, RD: What are the difference between these you? You called them eco friendly cups in your bio, I think. And what are the difference between these cups and other cups that you can get on the market? 

[00:39:17] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Oh, okay. So first of all is also packaging. 

[00:39:20] Christa Biegler, RD: Okay. 

[00:39:21] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay. Also, there is no plastic. If you take any, anything that is cheap.

[00:39:24] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And then the size of the cup, if you take the medium size cup, it's really flexible. Yeah. There is three different sizes. You only get two, two different size and so there is no the way they are made. It makes that they are very soft on touch. Most of the cup, they are like it's all, I don't know how to say everything sticks to them.

[00:39:44] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: You put oil and then you have all the dust coming out of it. It's really annoying. It's it becomes super sticky. 

[00:39:49] Christa Biegler, RD: Ah, interesting. 

[00:39:50] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So this 

[00:39:50] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: one, yeah, this one, they don't have any stick. They have different sizes. They are really flexible. The third side is really flexible and also packaging.

[00:39:58] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And it mostly comes with online tutorials. At the beginning, I wasn't planning to sell cups. My plan was just to teach and just, I realized I was having clients, they all wanted to buy the cup, but I didn't want to become a seller. I was an acupuncturist and I was sending them to whichever website I could find.

[00:40:16] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And so when lockdown happened, so that's another story. But when I decided to be online first, I just wanted to do the course. But then I thought, okay, but people, I'm going to ask, where do I buy the cup? So let's do it. And what, which oil should I use? Let's do it. So it came just because people were going to ask the same way, like my client were asking, but 

[00:40:36] Christa Biegler, RD: getting different quality things.

[00:40:38] Christa Biegler, RD: So what a cool thing. And I will say like one of the reasons when I opened the packaging, I knew exactly what to do because you had the picture and it was very clear and I was like, I think I'm going to be able to do this. Now we didn't even talk about, you have this cupping for cellulite as well.

[00:40:51] Christa Biegler, RD: Protocol. So I had, 

[00:40:52] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: yes. 

[00:40:52] Christa Biegler, RD: I haven't gotten into this one yet, I'll get there next. 

[00:40:54] Christa Biegler, RD: I'll get there. 

[00:40:55] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: But even in the car, there is a QR code to scan for an online tutorial. Like I really wanted to make sure that I get a guide step by step. Because when you get a Gua Sha in your hand, when you get an acupressure pen, you get some facial brushes or even a body brush.

[00:41:09] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: What do you do with them? So my main, my, my business is about you get a product, but you get the teaching, you, because always it's like. What do I do with that? And now what's next? And then you can see like videos on Instagram. It's just like a few second videos, but it's like, how do I start?

[00:41:26] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Should I do it in the morning? Should I do it in the evening? What should I put on my face? Like it's not enough, so I really try to make like really thorough courses that come with them so we can just know what to do with it because otherwise it's. 

[00:41:38] Christa Biegler, RD: I love it. I haven't gotten that far yet, but here I am reading the caution and I want to just ask you a question, just like one more question here.

[00:41:45] Christa Biegler, RD: I'd like to ask you about, so we talked a little bit about why not to use these if you're Botoxing in that area, you need to take some time to allow that skin to maybe heal or recover, 

[00:41:56] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: it's simple. Okay. So there is two things. If you do it too early, you can move the Botox and the filler.

[00:42:01] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: You don't want to do that. You don't want to move the filler in another place. So mostly for fillers and for Botox, it's just like you want. So no, definitely no within the first two weeks, but then doing cupping could also wear off the effects more quickly, which is not something you might want.

[00:42:16] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: You just spend 200 pounds, 200. I don't know what's the currency into a forehead wrinkle and you do Botox and you remove, and you just want to be on the cautious side, but for fillers, mostly for fillers, you don't want to do cupping on fillers. You can do it anywhere else, but you don't want to take the risk to have them migrated somewhere you don't want to do.

[00:42:35] Christa Biegler, RD: I want to ask you about a couple of the other things here, just so people know, so you have rosacea. Don't do this on rosacea. I can understand the open wounds and skin lesions and sores, but maybe speak to the rosacea or multiple moles in that treatment area. 

[00:42:50] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Okay, so rosacea, I get this question so many times.

[00:42:53] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So rosacea often is an internal imbalance of heat, too much heat, okay, in traditional Chinese medicine. And when you do cupping, you actually bring more heat to the surface, you boost circulation, and you become a bit. reddish pinkish, which is a nice thing. It goes within a few minutes, but if you already have rosacea, it can make this rosacea worse.

[00:43:12] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: So you don't want to cut on rosacea. You don't want to bring more heat. So prickly persidol is actually really good to calm down rosacea. But only once, your rosacea is controlled and with acupuncture diets. Emotion, all that can really help. So once it comes down, you can start to do cupping, but not before.

[00:43:31] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: And for multiple moles, it's mostly it's just because we are not dermatologists and it's just to be on the cautious side, on the cautious side. If you have like many moles in one area, just don't trigger them. If you have a few moles, we all have a few moles, it's not a problem, but just make sure you have them checked before doing any cupping, just out of safety.

[00:43:54] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: That's mostly that about Rosacea, about multiple moles. 

[00:43:58] Christa Biegler, RD: Perfect. So Kina, where can people find you online to get your cups, learn more about facial cupping, learn more about you? 

[00:44:08] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Yeah. Like my accent, I have to 20 years in the UK is still a worse, but it's the facial cupping expert. com. That's it.

[00:44:18] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Our Instagram's official cupping experts. That's 

[00:44:20] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: it. 

[00:44:21] Christa Biegler, RD: I love it. I love it. If you get some cups, if you get anything from Sakina's website, I think you can use the code less stressed and get a discount as well. Thank you so much for coming on today and for reminding me that I want to go to acupuncture school now.

[00:44:35] Christa Biegler, RD: So I appreciate that. I'll add that to my list of things that I need to do in this lifetime. I appreciate you. I appreciate this beautiful perspective you brought to this conversation today. 

[00:44:46] Sakina Di Pace, BSc, Lic. Ac: Thank you so much, Christa, for having me.